I had said that the minimum or the max would have been okay, yet I wanted to max them out. I told Ralph that the torture for the e-s will be so severe that I Am fine with the minimum even, however. Ralph did not really understand what all I meant at the time, yet he had to listen to things for a long time. He also discussed such matters and had to weigh several things just like anyone who is a sane judge would have to do if they were in such a circumstance. Heaven had joked at one point and shouted at the Rev Tree such as haven't you maxed out the turd yet? It was not as if Ralph would have different judgment in the overall context, it was that he had to hear much more than they did and he had been talking with the turds for a long time.
